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For the SG-interested...

SciFi-wire and Gateworld have both put up additional info about S9 Cast Addition, regarding what kind of character is being added. No name yet, though. And no word I can find on the signing of other regulars.


Gateworld article (had a spoiler in the *link*! Geez! But has less info than the SciFi piece).

Not as wacky or creative an idea as many proposed by fans in the past week. But I'm willing to see what they do with it. Making him the *same* rank as Sam is... interesting. Also makes me wonder what's going on with AT, although Ron Cooper mentions Carter, so... hmm. The idea of making him someone "known" is also kind of interesting, and I'm curious to see how they do that.

Hmm. At what point will we be able to stop considering the mere identity of the Cast Addition a spoiler, do you figure?


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Dec. 20th, 2004 11:19 pm (UTC)
Jesus H. Christ, he's Dawn. Oh, dear. I... don't know how I'm going to feel about that one.

I mean, it could be made to work. I'm just wary.

(I'm going to treat him as a spoiler until he appears on the screen, personally; that's my rule about this sort of thing, though I very much doubt anyone will avoid the news that BB is coming onboard. I really think it would be decent behavior not to post anything about the character outside of spoiler-cuts, though. I know there are people who want to avoid that knowledge.)
Dec. 21st, 2004 01:23 am (UTC)
I'm kind of freaking out, now, because how could there be two lt. colonels on the same team? That'd be a waste of manpower. What if...oh, no. They wouldn't.

*goes to hide under the bed*
Dec. 21st, 2004 01:27 am (UTC)
Oh. Yes, of course.

See, I knew they wouldn't leave it open at the end of the season, dammit, I knew it!

(Okay, I don't know it yet. But it does look awfully suspicious, doesn't it?)
Dec. 21st, 2004 02:05 am (UTC)
What? What? This is a Gemini thing isn't it? I haven't seen it but neither I nor Orca_girl fear spoilers. What are you suspecting?
Dec. 21st, 2004 02:18 am (UTC)
I'm not actually sure if this is what Des is thinking, but I'm wondering if they're going to have Sam retire from the military to be with Jack.
Dec. 21st, 2004 02:46 am (UTC)

Um. That would pretty much break the show for me. I really, really hope that's not true.
Dec. 22nd, 2004 04:03 am (UTC)
Oh, I don't have any spoilers that indicate that might be the case. But I've always assumed the writers want to go with a J/S ending, and if RDA's leaving the show... well. And a civilian Sam would give a reason for there having to be another CO for the unit, without making it explicitly a judgement on her fitness to command.
Dec. 21st, 2004 04:18 am (UTC)
Okay. I agree with Len, here -- I cannot count the ways in which I would *NOT* like to see this actually happen. *sigh* Now I'm all worried, because I hadn't even thought of that.

It would make some sense. Although... okay, wait.

1. Isn't it more likely, what with one thing and another, that if Jack and Sam wanted to be together, Jack would retire?

2. Including, more likely given the logistics of the show (RDA's reduced time, etc.)?

3. Would Sam have to retire from the military *too*? Both of them?

4. If Sam retires from the military so that she can marry Jack or whatever, does that mean Jack stays a general? Does that mean that they're currently thinking they're still going to have Jack as a general somehow in S9?

5. If Sam retires from the military to be with Jack, does she still get to stay in the SGC as a civilian scientist because, you know, she's too valuable to say to her, "don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out"? Because Cooper's quotes *seem* to indicate that he's thinking about "SG-1" as Daniel, Teal'c, Sam, and BB.

6. But like Destina, I still don't get how you can have two lt. col's on the same team. That's dumb.

7. How might the AUs play into this?

My head hurts.
Dec. 22nd, 2004 04:09 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah, I think it would make more sense for Jack to be the retiree. I'm just a little leery about what's going on here, you know? And a civilian Sam would let them put BB's character in charge.

There's a story on Gateworld RE S9 and Jack/RDA, incidentally--I don't want to talk about it if you haven't read it.
Dec. 22nd, 2004 04:29 am (UTC)
One thing I wonder is, is it absolutely for certain BB is American military? Maybe he could be Russian or British. RAF Ben! Maybe..okay, I'm grasping. I just don't want Sam demoted or retired or relieved of command. Unless she retires, realizes she loves Jack but isn't in love with Jack, and then embarks on a crazy mission to resurrect her true love, Janet, so Cassandra can have two mommies again. This will involve copious wandering the earth on her motorcycle and...

Wait, what was I talking about?
Dec. 23rd, 2004 03:37 am (UTC)
Um, I think you were talking about that Faith spinoff Joss wanted to do. Chicks and their motorcycles, baby!
Dec. 23rd, 2004 12:31 am (UTC)
I *did* read it, actually -- and boy, that just kind of muddies the waters, doesn't it?

I don't know *WHAT* to think...
Jan. 2nd, 2005 05:46 pm (UTC)
You mean other than "wah, Jack, don't go"?
Dec. 21st, 2004 04:21 am (UTC)
Actually, I'm kinda-sorta trying to avoid specific plot spoilers for the upcoming eps. I've looked at the pics from the eps as they've gone up, but avoided reading heavy plot stuff. Because I want to be a tiny bit surprised.

I am seriously going to have to wrestle with myself over the issue of reading peoples' spoilers for "Threads" onwards -- because on the other hand, sometimes I like to find out ahead of time what happens, in detail, if I'm worried about something and feel that I might need to be braced for it.

But I already sort of get the sense, without spoilers, that most folks deeply disliked "Gemini". And that's a pity. RepliCarter had such promise!
Dec. 21st, 2004 04:13 am (UTC)
Okay, now you're freaking *me* out.

But yes. That detail immediately *pinged* warning bells in my head...
Dec. 21st, 2004 04:12 am (UTC)
I'm assuming he's not Dawn only in the sense of... he will actually have existed prior to his introduction, only, for some reason or another, we in the audience haven't been aware of him. On SG, this isn't impossible, after all. I mean, we in the audience are lucky if we can name two or three other SG team leaders out of how many teams? In the double digits, anyway. Not that I'm saying he's another team-leader, he's not, but -- just that it's clear that the world of the show and who the people we see in the show interact with and know is larger than what we in the audience see.

Case in point -- when Adam Baldwin played Col. Dixon, it was clear that Jack knew him from before. Because he was calling Jack "Jack", and Jack was calling him "Dave", even when they were talking over the MALP. That implied to me that Col. Dixon had been a team-leader for longer than just that episode, and/or that Jack and he knew each other from before. (Because except for Ferretti, I don't think Jack ever calls other team-leaders by their first names.)

So, you know. Could be not-so-bad. Depending on how it's done.

For example -- could he have been a pilot in the F-302 program? Didn't somebody have to be squadron-leader or something of the group of those that engaged in the dogfight in "Lost City"? Wouldn't that somebody be someone Jack and maybe the others know? etc.

(It's not that I'm not worried, mind you. It's that I'm trying hard not to panic.)

I agree, too -- am personally planning to hold off on mentioning BB as the new cast member until perhaps he appears in promos or something; and yes, all character info belongs behind spoiler-cuts until S9 premieres.
Dec. 21st, 2004 04:46 am (UTC)
My first thought was that perhaps they came across him when he was a shuttle pilot for NASA and he was the one that picked them up from their gliders at the beginning of the second season. From there he hopped into your F-302/Lost City timeline. And then he does something fantastic at the end of season 8, and thus gets his choice assignment onto SG-1.

My next thought is that they can easily slot him into SG-1 by changing all the billetting. I mean, it's not like it's strict in makeup how it is. Sam's been promoted from Captain to Major without leaving the team. And she's currently leading it as on 05 when it was billetted as an 06 slot. So maybe they'll promote her again.

Dec. 21st, 2004 05:25 am (UTC)
I did some research recently that suggested that Sam *might*, depending on her age, have enough years in service to be promoted to 06. But doesn't it screw that up if she was only promoted to 05 a year ago? Doesn't she have to stay at 05 a minimum of 3 years before she can be promoted to 06?

I mean, not that they couldn't be all, like, "details waived on account of saving the Earth" -- but they've tended to try not to do that, from what I've seen. (If estimates of Sam's time in service are correct, her promotion from captain to major was likely overdue, as was her promotion from major to lt. col -- if you figure that somebody in the SGC ought to be on a fast-track to promotion, what with all the world-saving and all.)

Or maybe I have it all wrong.
Dec. 22nd, 2004 04:04 am (UTC)
Oh, yeah, I think it could be done fine. Of course they'd know each other; it isn't that big a program, I'm sure they all know each other at least a little. I'm just a little leery of this whole "flashbacks" thing--I don't want to end up in a situation where the stories we already know are being changed instead of added to.
Dec. 23rd, 2004 12:35 am (UTC)
I just want to point out, in light of Brad Wright's statements today:

For example -- could he have been a pilot in the F-302 program? Didn't somebody have to be squadron-leader or something of the group of those that engaged in the dogfight in "Lost City"? Wouldn't that somebody be someone Jack and maybe the others know? etc.

Damn, I'm good!

I hear you on the flashbacks deal -- but the best-case scenario for those I could imagine would be that they go back and show us something we have already seen, and then in the new flashbacks, show us other things going on that we didn't see at the time.

And that, I'm fine with.

I totally agree with you about *changing* rather than *adding to*.

But the new info from BW makes it sound like it's the latter.

Somebody always had to be the guy who led the squadron that went into that dogfight -- we just never knew who he was. But in another show, or from another perspective, *that guy* would have been an interesting character to follow in his own right.

Oh, and now it looks like we do get to follow him.

Interesting path for them to decide to take.

(I'm still all in a tizzy with regard to the Jack situation, plus with Sam. I hear you, that in many ways the solution of Sam becoming a civilian would make several things possible and make them make sense. But... I still wouldn't *like* it. For a couple of reasons. *shrug*)
Jan. 2nd, 2005 05:47 pm (UTC)
You are good. Very impressive speculative skills. Go you!
Dec. 20th, 2004 11:49 pm (UTC)
I think that once Sci-fi starts airing "Ben Browder joins SG-1" promos, his existence is fair game for open discussion. Of course, actual character or plot spoilers would remain spoilers I suppose.

I fear Cooper's comments. Because as much as I love Stargate, I'm not sure the writers have the chops to pull off a character intro that's as tricksy and clever as they're making this sound. The SG-1 team already knows him? He's secretly been all important but we've never seen him before? Flashbacks will weave him into the universe?

Dec. 21st, 2004 04:24 am (UTC)
See my earlier reply to Katie -- I think there are ways they could do this that would be more straightforward and logical than one might think.

As I pointed out -- when they created Col. Dixon, they created him as an instant old-buddy of Jack's, sort of. It wasn't explained, it was just there. But it gave him a different feel than if he'd been "the new colonel".

My suggestion above is only one way they could give the new lt. col. cred in the universe in a logical way, even if the audience hasn't seen him. The audience hasn't seen a *LOT* of folks who have worked for the SGC or done other important things over the years.

(This is my super-rational attempt to stave off the Fear, mind you. It's not that I'm not worried like everybody else.)
Dec. 21st, 2004 12:01 am (UTC)
I kind of figured he would be a military guy, but not that whole thing about him already existing in the SG universe. Personally, I would have liked it if he was new to it all like Shep, but then I don't think he would get the chance to choose his posting, which makes sense.

Now, if he ends up being leader of SG-1, I dunno, Carter deserves it more, which begs the question of how long SG-1 will still be a three member team with BB's inclusion.

I'm still very excited as a StarScaper though ;-)
Dec. 21st, 2004 03:02 pm (UTC)
From SciFi: Browder's SG-1 Role Revealed
Browder's SG-1 Role Revealed

Robert C. Cooper, executive producer of SCI FI Channel's original series Stargate SG-1, told SCI FI Wire that new regular cast member Ben Browder (Farscape) will play a new military member of the SG-1 team. "Ben is playing a military guy, a lieutenant colonel," Cooper said in an interview. "And I can't tell you his name yet. It hasn't been legally cleared yet, so it could still change."

Browder's character, who joins the show in the upcoming ninth season, has a past history with the Stargate program, Cooper said. "The audience just hasn't met him yet," he said. "He's actually played a key role in some major events that went on ... in the Stargate universe and was in fact very instrumental in helping SG-1 succeed in one of their more important missions. And as a result of that, he was given ... his choice posting. And he ultimately chooses to join SG-1. So when he first appears on the show, SG-1 will already know who he is. And we'll see some of those scenes and how he was basically woven into the tapestry of the show through flashbacks."

Cooper said that Stargate SG-1 will embark on a new direction in the upcoming ninth season. "One of the things we've always done with Stargate ... [is] to reinvent ourselves all the time, and ... bring in new villains and anything we needed to do to keep the show fresh," he said. "And yet we still, I think, stuck to the core concept and the core team that started out at the beginning. And so fans of the show will still feel as though things are very comfortable and familiar, you know? We're still going to see Daniel Jackson and Teal'c and Carter and our new colonel going through the Stargate to alien worlds and getting into adventures. But there's going to be some big new dangers as well. We [will wrap] up a lot of storylines in season eight. And I think that, hopefully, fans are going to be very satisfied by the conclusion of season eight, and feel like we've really paid off a lot of the stories we've been building up over the last couple of years. And we're looking at season nine to start fresh with some new stories and a new take on the Stargate universe." The remaining new episodes of Stargate SG-1's eighth season kick off Jan. 21, 2005, in a new Friday 8 p.m. ET/PT timeslot, followed by the new episodes of Stargate Atlantis at 9 p.m. and the new original series Battlestar Galactica at 10 p.m. The ninth season of SG-1 will begin airing in the summer.
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