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Thanks to telepresence for the heads-up on this one:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2104&Itemid=2

If this does not link you directly, the headline for the article is midway down the page.

I find this sad, because I was personally looking forward to it. I also find it sad because the show people put some amount of effort into cooperating with the project -- MS talked about having recorded 200 pages' worth of dialogue for the game, and RDA did a similar amount, I think -- and now all of that is down the drain, wasted. And, as stated previously, I'm sad because this would have been, in some ways, some "new" Jack material that we would have gotten, and "classic" Jack, classic team, at that. I also think it's kind of a bummer from a franchise POV.

However, I do understand the problem from a marketing standpoint, that there was no use bringing out a game that would already have looked out of date. That while it might have been fun for people who were already rabid SG fans, for the game to be successful and for it to be beneficial to the franchise, it needed not to incur the contempt of people who are foremost gaming aficionadoes.

It's just... still a pity that it bombed, whatever the reasons for it having bombed.

Comments

eregyrn
Jan. 23rd, 2006 12:48 pm (UTC)
I'm not surprised. It sounds like this only started going around recently, and it also sounds like the "official" cancellation announcement by the company hasn't been made. But it does sound like it's fairly official. So places listing its target sale-date probably haven't gotten the memo yet.

(You can't always trust those. They're just based on company predictions and they don't always get updated in a timely manner -- even on someplace like Amazon.)
moonshayde
Jan. 23rd, 2006 05:10 pm (UTC)
I was just trying to keep my hopes up. This, for me, was my last shot at Jack and the "team." Now, it's over and will likely never happen again.

Funny how it's the little stupid things that seem to keep us a float sometimes. This news just shattered my day.

Not your fault, of course. Just is sad.
eregyrn
Jan. 24th, 2006 07:32 am (UTC)
*HUG*

I felt *exactly* like this back in August. S9 had premiered and I was going through Jack-withdrawal really hard, but I was thinking, "at least I have Alliance to look forward to, which is 'new Jack' in a way" -- and then the news surfaced and I felt like the rug had been pulled out from under me. I felt silly for being so bummed about it -- but I really, really was.

Now, I've had more time to get used to the idea, and also to get more used to Jack not being in S9... and also, to see that people have not (yet) stopped writing fic with Jack in it.

But I know what you mean. *hugs again*
moonshayde
Jan. 24th, 2006 08:06 am (UTC)
No, I know. I went through this in August too. But I had put myself in a deep enough state of denial and hope that I was really rooting for this game to pull through despite its problems. I mean, a game for this franchise makes sense! And they recoridng dialogue! It would have been at least a little fun.

I've been enjoying season 9, though not all all of the chacacterization that I've seen (especially with Daniel). I know Jack is gone and I've accepted that. I am thankful he wasn't killed off and I fully support RDA wanting to spend more time with his daughter.

Online discussion, old eps and fanfic keep me going. I'll keep watching the show for now as I am still enjoying it, since I know I can at least turn to the internet to get some Jack. In fact, I've become a bigger Jack fan since he left, if that makes any sense. I see it as part of my mission, and other people's missions, to keep Jack alive. I hope people will continue to write him, create art, and keep the character running as long as we can imagine :)

Thanks, though :)

eregyrn
Jan. 24th, 2006 10:54 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's just it -- I'm enjoying S9 okay but I'm also a bit detached from it anyway. I'm not necessarily enjoying everything *about* it. Further, to split hairs: I *miss Jack*, but I don't necessarily miss the Jack we had in S7/S8 sometimes, and I don't mind that we don't have Jack in S9 if that was the sort of Jack we would have had. If that makes sense. (And yeah, I never minded RDA's reasons for leaving; indeed, I could somewhat understand his disconnect from the show throughout S7/S8, and think that his leaving was probably the right decision.)

I couldn't become a *bigger* Jack fan since he left, because I was already the biggest Jack fan I could imagine being. :) I was deeply, deeply hoping that others would feel the same way and help keep him alive in the fandom. I try to do my bit, although my bit is somewhat small. But I try to be really encouraging of others doing it, while also trying not to become too whiny or berating, so that I don't turn people off. But for me, it's still ALL about Jack. I *really like* all the rest. But it's Jack I love.

So I'm cautiously hopeful of what I see so far. (I'm pleased with the concept of the SG action figures, actually, even if I'm a little critical of the execution.)

But the game would have been a nice shot in the arm.
moonshayde
Jan. 24th, 2006 03:24 pm (UTC)
I get you. I've actually been a little uneasy at the distinct lack of Jack love out there. Now, I've always loved Jack. I love all the characters and get miffed if anyone gets into extreme character bashing, but I do love Jack more than Teal'c and Sam. Daniel is my all time fave character non-stop, but to be honest I like Jack and Daniel playing off each other the most. So my Daniel and Jack love wanes depending on what I get ;)

But I've been heartbroken that all I see is Daniel/Vala and Daniel/Cameron out there. It drives me insane. I don't know what your fic preferences are (Gen, ship or slash) but I can't find anything that is gen with a team focus (old team) or fic that is Jack/Teal'c friendship, Jack/Daniel, etc. It's so frustrating. I want Jack. Write the new characters too. But fanfic is what we have now. I want to see Jack. I miss Jack. It's not the same without Jack (even if I like Mitchell). And yet the fic has dropped off.

It's still there but I hope for a resurgence. I'm going to keep him going in the fic I am working on, but I hope other people do. I want to read him!
eregyrn
Jan. 25th, 2006 09:06 am (UTC)
Hmm. Well, up front -- my fic preferences are slash and gen, and OT3 or OT4. I used to read a lot of shipfic, and I don't hate it, but I drifted away from liking most of what I was seeing. I love the team, but of all the characters, Jack is my main love and my main focus. Over time I concluded that I happen to like the way he interacts with Daniel best. My Jack love never wanes. :)

It's interesting to me how one's perspective on the fandom now varies greatly depending on so many variables. 99% of my fandom interaction now is through LJ. But I feel that LJ is really challenging to keep up with. I feel like I constantly have to be on the lookout for new people to friend as a way of following the way SG fandom is branching through LJ. And then there's experiences like this, where you and I are talking about "SG fandom" -- but just look at our respective flists. We're both in the same fandom and we have a similar desire here... but truly, we are experiencing the fandom in quite different ways.

(I used to, of course, experience the fandom mainly through mailing lists. I'm still subscribed to two Jack-centric lists, but I don't pay that much attention to them now. Stuff is still posted to them, regularly and in volume. But the quality is overall pretty low.)

So from my viewpoint... with the flist I have... I do see some Daniel/Vala and Daniel/Cam out there... but less than I feared I would see. Much less. I cast my net pretty widely, though. And I won't say that the J/D and the teamfic and the OT3 hasn't been more of a trickle, than the steady stream it was a few years ago. But for me, it's been there, and I've managed to maintain a reduced but steady diet of Jack.

What do I do? For one thing, I haunt certain archives that update regularly. And they still do -- Area52, for example. The stuff isn't always quality - indeed, from my POV, it's mostly terrible with the occasional gem. But it's there. I also keep an eye out for people who rec -- recently _minxy_ and paian have been really valuable for pointing to new J/D stuff (as well as writing it themselves).

The Pegasus B community is another place where I get more Jack -- yeah, it's an AU Jack. And the volume of posting at PegB is pretty reduced these days. But it's still there, with occasional bursts of wonderful material.

I also read the ficathons (there was a Jack/Daniel ficathon, and quite recently a couple of SG1 teamficathons). Not all of the entries are great. But again -- they toss up occasional gems. (surreallis just posted her SG1teamficathon entry... it is *fantastic* and *long* and has *great* Jack.) The ficathons sometimes point me towards writers I wouldn't have found out about otherwise. But a lot of people I have friended do that too, since everybody's circle is always slightly different.

What surprised me the most recently was to find that I was discovering whole handfuls of new writers who apparently got into writing J/D only recently -- Jane Davitt, Icarus Ancalion, Komos (paian on LJ). Did you read Less Than Legendary's "Retrograde", a SG1/SGA gen crossover? That was great. Icarus has a huge recs webpage that contains a bunch of SG1 recs that I didn't even recognize, and I haven't gotten around to combing through to read them all. But a lot of my old favorites still produce, too. They wander away for a while, sometimes, then return to the J/D or gen SG1-team love. (How about Cofax's "A Dirty Wind"? Mmm, post-apocalyptic team with a *great* Jack and an OT3 undertone.)

Even the series of Fandemonium novels, which unfortunately come out only at 6 month intervals, feed the need -- novel-length gen team stories, usually with a good Jack presence or focus. (Two of my all-time fav J/D writers co-wrote the latest one, which is due out in a couple of weeks.)

In summary: yeah, I feel like I've had to be creative about making sure I find it. But the Jack stuff, whether gen or slash, is definitely out there, still being produced, and some of it is just... amazing. I didn't experience what I feared when S9 debuted. I *did* think that it would be nothing but Daniel/Cameron, Daniel/Vala, and so on. And I've been pleased that that hasn't been my experience at all.
moonshayde
Jan. 25th, 2006 01:19 pm (UTC)
I hope you don't mind me continuing. I find this an interesting conversation.

I was thinking about what you said--how we are both in the same fandom but are experiencing different facets. And I think it has a lot to do with the fact that I am mainly a Daniel fan while you are a Jack fan. Therefore, we are seeing different aspects of the fandom, with our paths often intersecting.

As a Daniel fan, I keep seeing Daniel/Cameron and Daniel/Vala popping up everywhere. I most familiar with Daniel-centric forums and Daniel lists. So it makes sense I would have people on my flist that might turn that way. Mind you I see Jack/Daniel on my flist too, but I'll get there is a second.

As a Jack fan, you probably see more Jack-centered stuff. Which makes perfect sense to me.

As a fan, I read/write gen, slash, and ship. Gen is my main stay: I love gen. I love the team, but I am partial to more Jack and Daniel centric stuff. I started writing ship for friends and I've since done some other stuff to give me something different. I have also written a few slash stories, Jack/Daniel variety. But really, gen is what I love best.

My problem is that I am a total fic snob. Honestly, I hate most stuff out there. Gen fic is slash or ship in disguise. I'm sorry but I love my Jack to be smart, strong, and witty. I expect that from my Daniel too. I go in and I want to read complex but intriguing characters. I have no desire to waste my time reading snizzley man-boys.

I hate to say this, but I think the Daniel part of the fandom is some of the worst there is. Daniel is continuously written out of character. In gen and in slash and even in ship. In contrast, the Jackfic I have found seems to be better. I'll come right out and say it. I am sure there is some bad stuff too, but they seem to have a better handle on things.

So, for me, I keep hitting horrible stuff after horrible stuff. Sure, I like to write but I'm not perfect. I want to read good fic, you know?

Due to my jaded look at writing in the fandom, my fic snobbery, and the Daniel vs Jack stuff, maybe that is why we have such a huge difference in what we're seeing. I'm starting to explore a little more. I'd love to give people a chance. LJ has been a better experience for me than elsewhere, but it really can be difficult to manage at times.

Minxy is very helpful though ;)