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Promo for next week's SGA

In case you're like us, and you tend to watch SG-1 and SGA through TiVo, this week the timing was screwing up the ability to actually watch the promos for next week's Summer Finale eps. In particular, our TiVo cut off the promo of SGA before we could get to see the full thing, and there was something in particular I was looking for...

You can now watch the full promo at SCI FI's Atlantis page, or here, on YouTube:


So first, let me say: JACK!!!! SQUEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!

And this is Jack in action, too -- or at least, a Jack *ready* for action, wearing his SGC BDUs. (But the olive ones, not the black ones; *sigh*. How come when current SG-1 goes to Atlantis, they all dress in the sexy black BDUs... but *Jack* goes, and *he* doesn't?) And all serious and commanding and in peril! WOO!

I was a little surprised that I didn't see other "squees" around the flist about this coming up, and that's why I started wondering if other people besides us missed it while watching on Friday night.

I was kind of interested by the fact that while he *was* included, and recognizably so (given that he speaks), he wasn't precisely *forefronted*. You do get to see him clearly a couple of times on the view-screen as he speaks, but otherwise you just catch a very choppy glimpse of him in a very kinetic action scene. That he's standing next to Woolsey in that scene, you can really only make out if you already know to be looking for Woolsey. You have to be able to pause it to figure out that that scene is Jack and Woolsey on Atlantis surrounded by a bunch of Asurans (more on that problem in a moment).

What interests me about this is that when they got Jack back for "200", they definitely made sure you knew *all* about it. As the ep says: "Are you kidding? It'll be in the *commercial*." I can't quite recall the commercials and the promos for "200" well enough now to remember whether the voice-over alluded to his being there, but they sure did give us a clear shot of Jack in the doorway, waving.

In contrast, here, Jack is just worked into the promo, but he isn't mentioned specifically in the voice-over or anything. In fact, the voice-over and the promo itself doesn't really talk about this ep being a SGC/SGA crossover at all -- if you weren't in the know you could be forgiven for thinking that all the SGC uniforms belonged to Daedalus people, and you kind of have to be alert to realize that some of the shots of the SGA folks are in the SGC briefing room and that we get shots of the SGC control room and Gateroom later in the promo. And of course, there's Jack. But the promo just doesn't really point him out much, although I assume that the face-time they give him on the viewscreen, along with his voice, is enough to make people who know SG-1 say "hey... wait a minute".

I just find it interesting that, clearly, when it was the SG-1 anniversary ep, they wanted to make good and sure that people knew that Jack would be back. And didn't they show him pretty clearly in all of the promos for SGA's "The Real World"? But here they've got him for a big two-parter, but they don't seem to me to be promoting it especially prominently.

So, as it is, I know of at least two friends who I bet didn't get to see the full promo, and for whom, therefore, his popping up on SGA really *is* going to be a surprise this week -- which is kind of neat.

I would just like to note, finally, that I really hate the fact that these flash players are *crap* (on a Mac, at least) at letting you pause video that they're playing, let alone, go through the things frame-by-frame. Their controls *suck*. I was hoping that I could use the new skeevy way I discovered to download videos from YouTube to grab a copy of it when somebody put it up there, and be able to do some screencaps from it *that* way, but... no. For some reason, there are some things posted on YouTube that I can't download in the skeevy way that I found out about, which annoys me, of course. So I've been able to do very little analysis of the promo, because it's really hard to pause it at just the right time. If anyone else is able to get caps from it, that'd be cool.

Finally... you know, I could SWEAR that it looks like the lead Asuran chick is being played by Megan Leitch (aka Ke'ra/Linea from S3's "Past and Present"; aka Samantha Mulder)... but I could be wrong. Just something about her face and her voice... Well, we'll see.


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Sep. 17th, 2006 05:47 pm (UTC)
the previews went by utterly too quickly on tv too. *sigh*

and how am i going to make it until next spring waiting to see what happens next? meep.

ah, jack. :)
Sep. 17th, 2006 05:54 pm (UTC)
In all seriousness, I have been giving serious thought to downloading. Because after all, as far as I know, the UK is going to start showing S10/S3 in mid-Oct and then they're just going to run through to the end. Which means they will have shown the entire seasons through, before they start showing the US the second halves. (Unless something weird happens.)

Normally, I have not really given downloading a thought, because the UK wound up being just 3 or so eps ahead of us, and my feeling was: ehn, I can wait 3 weeks to see the ep.

But *now*... there's too much happening in the second half of both seasons that I'm on tenterhooks over. The second part of this on SGA. "The Shroud". And of course, the damn *series finale*!!!

I am not very strong, with regard to avoiding spoilers anyhow. Indeed, in the normal course of things, I would sometimes crack and read UK and downloading people posting about the new eps they were getting before us. In these cases... I just *know* I won't be able to keep from reading those ep reviews... and I'm not sure that reading the ep reviews is going to be *enough* for me. I just have a really hard time avoiding spoilers that I know are out there.

The thing that is still making me hold back is that my main pleasure is sharing the eps with others on my flist when they are new. So, sure -- we could download them, and telepresence could put them on DVD and we could watch them together... but I still couldn't really TALK about them with my flist, unless all the folks on my flist were doing the same thing, and I kind of doubt they're going to be, so....

Aaugh. Dilemma!
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Sep. 17th, 2006 05:51 pm (UTC)
Dude, they didn't run a single ad for SGA during SG1 that I saw. Not one. single. ad.

And they wonder why the ratings are down? Bah.
Sep. 17th, 2006 05:57 pm (UTC)
Oh, no! They totally did! I mean, we FFed through all the ads anyway (I don't like watching the ads for SGA when I'm just going to be watching the ep next anyway), but I was sure I saw them go by, multiple times, too. (Now you've got me doubting that memory, though.)

I'll double-check, because I still have both eps on TiVo, and I was planning to skim through SG-1 as I was writing up a review of it this afternoon, anyway.
Sep. 17th, 2006 06:01 pm (UTC)
Okay -- they ran *one*. During the last commercial break, at minute 52 according to my TiVo, right before act 4, they ran the full promo for SGA's ep coming up next.
Sep. 17th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the link! I hadn't seen the promo. JACK!!! SQUEEEE!!!

I think the reason they're not promoing the hell out of him on SG:A's "next week"s is because he's SG-1, and a lot of SG:A fans don't make the connection. For SG-1's 200? Yeah, that's the fan base; for SG:A, not so much.

So what I want to know is, why are they calling next week the "season finale"? It was in my SciFi e-mail, too. It's the calendar year finale, but it's actually the mid-season finale. I'm absolutely flubbudgeoned as to why they would screw up that vocabulary word.
Sep. 17th, 2006 06:46 pm (UTC)
But when you listen to TPTB talk, *they* don't seem to really think of the fanbases for the two shows as being all that different.

(I'm also not entirely convinced that the casual fanbase for both shows is as different as the hard-core fandom-participating fanbases are, if you know what I mean. The ratings comparison is just too steady. I don't actually believe that any significant portion of SG-1 viewers are turning off the TV after SG-1 and that approx the same number of people who didn't watch SG-1 are tuning in to replace them to watch SGA.)

At any rate... it just seems to me as if they *would* want to promote this heavily to *SG-1* viewers -- and unless I'm completely mistaken, I think that the 20-second promo they show at the end of the eps for next week is about the same as what they run as a commercial for the show *during* the week.

So even if you were going with the idea that emphasizing Jack in SGA at the end of the SGA ep wouldn't garner you much... if the same promo is being used as a commercial, then it should be shown during SG-1 broadcasts in order to entice *those* viewers.

Finally -- oh, SciFi has done the same dumb damn thing since they acquired the show, and for all I can recall, they did it back in the Farscape days as well. That isn't new this time around. They're always *saying* "Season Finale" when they mean "Mid-Season Finale"... and they're always being inconsistent about it on their own sites, too. For example, the promos on the SCI FI website are listed as "Summer Finale" (which makes a great deal more sense).
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Sep. 17th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC)
EEEE! Jack!!! Thank you for the link.

And I'm hoping we get to see them in Canada earlier, like last year so they'll be up for d/ling because that's one hell of a break.
Sep. 17th, 2006 07:03 pm (UTC)
I'm assuming that since the six-month wait is a purely network decision by SciFi (the eps will be DONE in time for normal Jan. showing, because that's the schedule they've been shooting on), that anywhere else they're shown won't have this problem. What network are they shown on, in Canada? And is it unrelated to SciFi? If so, you're probably in luck.

Yeah, as I was saying to Jenlev above -- in the past, I have not given in to downloading, because the UK tended to get only 3 weeks or so ahead of us, and I could wait 3 weeks. But I don't know how strong I'll be, knowing some of these BIG eps have been broadcast already, but we won't see them for *months*. On the other hand, though... even if I give in, a lot of my flist probably won't, and I don't know... I wouldn't be able to talk about them with everyone that I do now, and that's a lot of the fun, for me.

I just don't know what I'm going to do, yet. ;-)
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Sep. 17th, 2006 06:23 pm (UTC)
Yay, Jack, but. Well, I didn't squee because I'm not sure yet there's anything to squee about. The last ep of SGA he was in, I almost fell asleep despite his presence there. It's not the same when he's not with his team; it's the context I miss. We'll see. Thanks for the link.

Also, that's definitely the actress who played Kera.
Sep. 17th, 2006 07:14 pm (UTC)
For me, it being Jack and him being in action is enough for squeeing. :) And it kind of looks like it at least has the potential to be a dramatic couple of eps.

But I get what you mean about context. I suppose there are some reasons why they wouldn't have considered it, but I *wish* they had sent Daniel with Jack, instead of Woolsey. Not that I'm not interested to see Jack interacting with Woolsey, and of course their interaction is going to be different than it would be if Jack had familiar people around him, but... it's just not the same. Not by a long-shot.

And, not so very deep in my heart, if Jack's going to be put in peril as a cliffhanger (yay!), then dammit, I want SG-1 to be going to his rescue, not just the Atlantis folks... to whom he doesn't mean as much, merely by the nature of things. And... that's just not in the cards, however good the rest of the story is. *sigh*

(Though otherwise, as I've always said, I genuinely like crossovers, particularly for the way we get to see two sets of characters familiar to *us* but not familiar to each other react to and develop bonds with each other. So I'm kind of interested in this ep for that, as well, just as I was interested in the Pegasus Project on that level. And I get the feeling that this ep might be a tiny bit more satisfying in that way because it avoids the character-bloat problem that Pegasus Project had. There is, in other words, something that *is* satisfying to me about getting to see the Atlantis folks react to and develop and act on their own connections with Jack, and seeing them rescue him. No, it won't be *as* satisfying as getting to see him in his SG-1 context, of course. But for *me* anyway, crossover-fan that I am, it'll be satisfying in a different way.)

So, I'm at the point where, yes, just giving me some dramatic Jack is enough to make me squee.
Sep. 17th, 2006 06:44 pm (UTC)
Uhm, I feel stupid but... Season Finale? Bzuh?
Sep. 17th, 2006 06:52 pm (UTC)
See above: SciFi is always pulling this stupid terminology crap. Nobody knows why. It's ludicrous -- they can't even agree with *themselves*.

When you go to their website, on the front page, it says "Season Finales!". When you go to SG-1's page (from "Shows"), it also puts the promo under "Season Finale". But if you go to the Atlantis page, it says "Summer Finale".

They're such dorks. But they've been doing the exact same thing for years.
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Sep. 17th, 2006 07:29 pm (UTC)
Accorging to Gateworld: "Major General Jack O'Neill is summoned to Atlantis to deal with the new threat from the Asurans, the ancient relatives of the human-form Replicators ("Progeny"). But when the Asurans invade Atlantis itself, no one is safe."

Could the Linea/Kera actress be reprising her Linea/Kera role, and the Asurans got her from Daniel's mind?

Why bring up the older replicator story line but expect us to forget who actress/Kera was in another older story?

Thank you for the link, I'll take Jack any way I can get him, *g*
Sep. 17th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
Could the Linea/Kera actress be reprising her Linea/Kera role, and the Asurans got her from Daniel's mind?

But when would the Asurans have gotten her from *Daniel's* mind? I'm confused. The Asurans haven't had any contact with Daniel, or any of SG-1, for that matter. And none of the Atlantis folks ever saw/met Ke'ra.

...but expect us to forget who actress/Kera was in another older story?

Seriously? Because the guy who played *Narim* (who was a much more prominent character than Ke'ra) was brought onto "Atlantis" to play Weir's not-husband back home! And people did complain about this at the time, because hey guys, that's a little *too* prominent, you know? But they did it anyway.

Heck, just in "Memento Mori" -- the guy who played that redheaded Trust operative who got captured and brought back to the SGC, was the same actor who played the spoiled prince-guy who didn't like Sheppard in "The Tower" last season on SGA.

Both shows have done this all the time, basically. SG-1 has reused the same actor in different roles during its own run. Example that leaps to mind: the guy who played Young Hammond in "1969" came back later in S7 as Major Harper -- I think that's the correct name -- part of the SGC SF forces. And that isn't the only example. (Also? The guy who played the Goa'uld Camulus in S7 is the guy who once played "Sergeant/Major Coburn" back in S3/S4.)

So really, it's just one of those things. If you have a good eye for it, you can play "spot the Vancouver-area guest actor" a *lot* in both series (and then expand it to their roles on *other* prominent genre series, of course, because they're all over the place).
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